I agree she shouldn't have been excluded for any reason. If someone disagrees with a viewpoint, perhaps seeing the film could change their mind. The
"No genocide in my name" is nonsense since there's no genocide.The Palestinian population has grown. That doesn't happen in a genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they wouldn't warn civilians before military operations were going to happen. Hamas has stockpiled tons of aid and is not giving it to its civilians. Evidence from Hamas and the UN show the numbers of dead were inflated and included repeated false claims that most killed were women and children when the reality was most were men, many of whom were combatants. If any person wants to prevent tragedies in Gaza, they should be protesting Hamas daily and demanding the release of all hostages, dead and alive.
I must disagree. It doesn't matter what word you use; thousands and thousands of Gazans have died because of Israeli bombs, assaults, and blockade. There are many many authenticated images and eyewitness accounts of what's happening in Gaza. To deny this is to willfully turn away from an inconvenient truth. I'm sure there's exaggeration in both perspectives. I'm also sure there's truth. I personally know people who have experienced this, but even if I didn't I would still believe the evidence before me. I know it's painful to acknowledge but we can't turn away from facts.
It is a war. People die in wars. The deaths of ALL innocents is a tragedy. Especially children who should have grown up and never will. But not all the deaths are of innocents which Hamas is now admitting to lying about. Would you honestly prefer that Israel do nothing regardless of what Hamas has done? Would any country do nothing if they were similarly attacked? This war began by the invasion of Israel, murdering, raping and kidnapping women, children, seniors, men. They are continuing to hold dead bodies and living people who have been tortured and starved, not once been seen or treated by Red Cross or any other organization for medical or health assessments. Hamas could have ended the war at any time by giving back the hostages.
I'm interested in why this counterargument is always presented as an either/or. Either Israel bombs the hell out of Gaza, or does nothing about the atrocities of October 7th. Those aren't the only choices here. Even Israelis who supported the war whole-heartedly until a month ago are feeling differently about what's happening in Gaza now. This isn't either/or; it's and/and. Hamas perpetrated atrocities on Israelis on October 7, and Israel is now arguably trying to get rid of the Palestinians in Gaza by wholesale bombing, assault, and starvation. Yes, Hamas uses civilians as shields. But also, using starvation as a war strategy is really low, especially when it almost entirely affects civilians.
I also must disagree with your last comment, that Hamas could have ended the war at any time by giving back the hostages. We will never know, but I think there's a good chance that Bibi would have kept on bombing. He has publicly said his aim is to make Gaza uninhabitable so the Palestinians will leave. He like Trump is an opportunist--taking this opportunity to get rid of the "Palestinian problem," as he and others have publicly named it many times.
I replied to this, challenging much of this comment earlier today. It either did not post, which I'm quite certain I saw the "posted" confirmation. Or... it was deleted by whomever is able to delete such things. Disappointing.
Super interesting commentary here. I am fairly untutored in Marxism so I did get a bit lost in your digression, though I appreciated it.
You say there are only two Jews who can speak freely. I guess it depends what you mean by "freely." The whole point of this Substack is to speak from that third point of view. It's messy and difficult, and I will acknowledge that I don't have a huge readership--I could probably double my subscribers by leaning harder toward one side or the other. But I really wanted to create a voice, however small, for that third perspective.
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I agree she shouldn't have been excluded for any reason. If someone disagrees with a viewpoint, perhaps seeing the film could change their mind. The
"No genocide in my name" is nonsense since there's no genocide.The Palestinian population has grown. That doesn't happen in a genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they wouldn't warn civilians before military operations were going to happen. Hamas has stockpiled tons of aid and is not giving it to its civilians. Evidence from Hamas and the UN show the numbers of dead were inflated and included repeated false claims that most killed were women and children when the reality was most were men, many of whom were combatants. If any person wants to prevent tragedies in Gaza, they should be protesting Hamas daily and demanding the release of all hostages, dead and alive.
I must disagree. It doesn't matter what word you use; thousands and thousands of Gazans have died because of Israeli bombs, assaults, and blockade. There are many many authenticated images and eyewitness accounts of what's happening in Gaza. To deny this is to willfully turn away from an inconvenient truth. I'm sure there's exaggeration in both perspectives. I'm also sure there's truth. I personally know people who have experienced this, but even if I didn't I would still believe the evidence before me. I know it's painful to acknowledge but we can't turn away from facts.
It is a war. People die in wars. The deaths of ALL innocents is a tragedy. Especially children who should have grown up and never will. But not all the deaths are of innocents which Hamas is now admitting to lying about. Would you honestly prefer that Israel do nothing regardless of what Hamas has done? Would any country do nothing if they were similarly attacked? This war began by the invasion of Israel, murdering, raping and kidnapping women, children, seniors, men. They are continuing to hold dead bodies and living people who have been tortured and starved, not once been seen or treated by Red Cross or any other organization for medical or health assessments. Hamas could have ended the war at any time by giving back the hostages.
I'm interested in why this counterargument is always presented as an either/or. Either Israel bombs the hell out of Gaza, or does nothing about the atrocities of October 7th. Those aren't the only choices here. Even Israelis who supported the war whole-heartedly until a month ago are feeling differently about what's happening in Gaza now. This isn't either/or; it's and/and. Hamas perpetrated atrocities on Israelis on October 7, and Israel is now arguably trying to get rid of the Palestinians in Gaza by wholesale bombing, assault, and starvation. Yes, Hamas uses civilians as shields. But also, using starvation as a war strategy is really low, especially when it almost entirely affects civilians.
I also must disagree with your last comment, that Hamas could have ended the war at any time by giving back the hostages. We will never know, but I think there's a good chance that Bibi would have kept on bombing. He has publicly said his aim is to make Gaza uninhabitable so the Palestinians will leave. He like Trump is an opportunist--taking this opportunity to get rid of the "Palestinian problem," as he and others have publicly named it many times.
I replied to this, challenging much of this comment earlier today. It either did not post, which I'm quite certain I saw the "posted" confirmation. Or... it was deleted by whomever is able to delete such things. Disappointing.
Do you agree with these two Israeli men in their popular podcast:
https://youtu.be/1SmH_sSSR0s
So, you support the genocide?
Super interesting commentary here. I am fairly untutored in Marxism so I did get a bit lost in your digression, though I appreciated it.
You say there are only two Jews who can speak freely. I guess it depends what you mean by "freely." The whole point of this Substack is to speak from that third point of view. It's messy and difficult, and I will acknowledge that I don't have a huge readership--I could probably double my subscribers by leaning harder toward one side or the other. But I really wanted to create a voice, however small, for that third perspective.
Thanks for reading. It means a lot.